#2 - The parent trap (1998)

The late naughties version of Parent Trap (1998) throws up all kinds of questions for the gang: Does Lindsay Lohan contractually mandate to always play more than one person? Is Dennis Quaid’s chest hair responsible for an entire’s generation daddy fetish? Has anyone ever been more unhinged and gorgeous than Natasha Richardson in this movie? And is Meredith really a villain or a secret feminist hero?

This week’s BPE picks of the week feature the legendary GC and divorced women smoking. Finally, Grace pitches her wild card contender with a passion the others have never seen before. Get ready for lots of talk about hair and cardigans.

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Hello everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of The Bi-Panic Room.

I'm joined by my co-hosts Charlotte, Grace and Harry.

In today's episode, we'll discuss the iconic 90s film by Nancy Meyers, The Parent Trap.

A film which follows the newly discovered identical twins played by Lindsay Lohan, in their quest to get their world apart parents, Dennis Quaid and Natasha Richardson back together.

We will also bring our bi-panic moments of the week, which if you're just joining us, are energies which she will give us by panic.

We'll round the episode off with Grace bringing and defending her wildcard entry of the week and we will determine whether or not it is worthy of joining our sacred club.

Who brought this film up to start with?

Was it you?

I think I brought it up, but then I think it was heavily supported as well.

Yeah, I think, Tessa, you had it when we first discussed what were the seminal Bi-Panic films for each of us.

It was definitely on your list.

Yeah, and I think Parent Trap was maybe number two on my list.

I must admit, it probably took me by surprise as Lindsay Lohan's role, which we will discuss at length, is probably not the moment of Bi-Panic for us.

I mean, for some of you.

For some of you, yeah.

For me, it was one of my moments.

I was like, okay, which one are we?

Dennis Quaid or Natasha Richardson or Meredith?

Yeah, but not Lindsay Lohan is the point.

Yeah, but that's the thing is, I think we've discovered in this whole thing is, it's not necessarily the actual main character, but the parents and the elders in the movie, Forrest Whitaker, hence, this is how we all fell into the Parent Trap.

Very nice.

Very nice indeed.

And I also think the thing with Lindsay Lohan is that it was less about having that thing like this is someone you have a crush on, that was reserved for the parents, no question.

But it was also like, I want to be this girl because this girl is so cool, her as Halle, obviously.

And Halle has absolute lesbian energy in everything she does.

Thomas, I think opening scene of her was saying, that's my kind of woman.

That's my kind of woman.

She gives her a piggyback, the woman calls her babe.

If that isn't a camp relationship, I don't know what is.

I need to see a follow up of this story line where they fall in love.

Or at least get it on.

Oh, who?

Halle and...

Didn't expect that.

At age of consent.

At age of consent.

Okay.

What happens in camp stays in camp.

But I think that was a really good point by Charlotte because yeah, I think that was the thing growing up.

We would have been similar age, maybe a bit younger.

And it was like, okay, I want to be these girls, specifically Halle.

Yeah, I want to have the metallic nail polish.

I want to be able to play poker and have the cool sunglasses and just have this California confidence.

I think this is the thing as well that I think we need to recognize in terms of what makes it fall into the area of bi-panic and panic in general.

Is that being having your eyes open to something new?

And as a bunch of European pre-teens watching that film, we're hearing a cool American accent, which in itself is exotic and cool and we want to be her.

We've got the prim and the proper.

For those of us who grew up in the UK, someone taking the piss out of the fact that we're all a bit basic.

And then you've got this American coming in, showing us a different way of living, a different way of being, a different way of just embracing who you are and what you want.

And she had me at My Dad Owns a Vineyard.

Yeah, we'd all be there.

I mean, yeah.

That inheritance, if anything.

That last.

I think it's like, is that thing I love about a Nancy Meyers movie, which is like, everybody has unlimited money, no matter who they are or where they live.

Everything is just gorgeous.

Finances are never discussed.

We just all agree.

We're white and we're rich and life is beautiful.

Backstory not required.

Absolutely not.

Exactly.

We don't need to know where they got their money from.

We don't need to know if it's generational wealth.

We just accept it.

It is what it is.

Well, and it's the wedding originally on the boat at the beginning.

Yeah.

It's a rich wedding.

Can't get a budget flight over the Atlantic?

No worries.

You pop yourself on the QE2 for a cruise.

Let's get married.

Yeah, exactly.

There's nothing more relatable than that.

And you keep your help.

You've got Jessie, who was the waitress, was she at the plane, both at the time?

Yeah.

And then the butler.

No, no, I don't think they're on the boat.

Not on the original boat.

Well, actually, I was going to say about the fact that I didn't really think of this myself personally, as a bi-panic film growing up.

I think because I think I saw it quite late.

Or I think I maybe saw it as a twin.

I took away different things.

I think that probably completely tracks.

Watching it as a twin, do you feel like there were some big logic gaps that nobody else would be able to understand?

Have I watched it recently enough to answer that question?

Yes.

We had it on background last week.

I know, in the background.

Well, for starters, we grew up watching the Hayley Mills version, which I don't know if any of you-

Classic.

She also, for those who don't know...

Oh no, she wasn't in the original Freaky Friday.

That was Jodie Foster.

That was Jodie Foster.

Was she?

So I grew up watching the original Freaky Friday and the original Parent Trap, which is Hayley Mills.

And there's nothing less bi-panic inducing than Hayley Mills in that film.

So I carried that energy.

It's tough to have a remake.

I did enjoy it, the original.

So I was like, it's a bit like watching cats on a film and then going to watch cats and music on the stage and you just kind of, not the new version.

I'm talking the OG stage version.

I'm not talking James Corden and Taylor Swift.

But there is a thing about twin films where you watch a film where it's not twins playing the twins and you do switch off.

I think there's an element of that.

Oh yeah, you definitely, it was the first thing you said, I haven't ever watched I Twins.

You're like, goodbye.

Fake.

Fake.

Exactly, they don't know, they don't have the experience.

So really what you're missing out on is the actual lovey story of Natasha Richardson and Dennis Quaid being split apart by an ocean for really unforeseen circumstances or unknown circumstances and they split their twins.

That's a great story.

Which is clearly the 90s result.

It's also horrendous.

If anything, this film should be a film about two people who should be locked up.

What lawyer agreed to this?

Exactly.

What judge okays that custody agreement?

That's a person who should be despot.

It's the only way, Your Honor.

Also bringing back to they're rich and white and can do what they want.

This is very true.

But as twins, you just would never want that.

It's a horrific idea that one of your parents would have dragged you to a different country and that you wouldn't know that you had a twin exist.

If you think about it, it's probably a film that gave a whole generation or several generations of twins the trauma of the fear that if your parents divorce, you will be splitter.

I mean, growing up in America would have been nice.

Yeah, what's the nice toss up there?

Yeah, if you'd been on a vineyard.

But we would have known that the other twin existed, so it would have been great.

We could have just Skyped or whatever.

I think if your sister was back in London, you'd be like, bye, I'm with Dennis Quaid in a wine can.

Cut that out.

I'm in the vineyard.

Okay, but for those of you who did see this film as a bi-panic film, so we're looking at the areas of the film that make it feel very bi-panic.

I feel like a good place to start is with the cast.

I know that you've already mentioned that Lindsay Lohan is not the defining bi-panic factor here.

My question to you all is, who?

Who the most?

And why?

I'll start, Dennis Quaid.

The winning smile.

Watching that in my pre-teen era, I didn't know what it was doing.

I don't know what I wanted from it, but I know I liked it.

I wanted him to smile at me.

Equally, Natasha Richardson.

I was like, look at her go.

Look at her in that bride shop.

I want that.

The way she fixed everyone's dilemmas.

I did quite enjoy that.

With the white top hat.

And the hat was my favorite.

So progressive of gender norms.

And for the 90s, it was quite the moment.

Well, actually, in period, it definitely doesn't swallow the whole outfit or anything.

Why is it not actually Halle who did that?

That was a moment of like, you know, of her realizing, oh, I'm like, mom, I can have a fashion night.

Here's a hat.

And actually, if anything, it is a good indicator of Halle's sexuality.

She chose the top hat.

Yeah.

So you know what this wedding dress needs?

Man's clothes.

She's panicking.

So we start with a panic.

We do.

Yeah.

We start with a panic there.

Earlier on in the film, though, I had a moment of thinking that there was a bi-energy from fencing.

Yes.

Fencing is bi.

It is.

Fencing is bi.

It is.

My dad used to fence.

Well, there's your answer.

Here we go.

Also, playing poker I think is bi as well.

I've been good at it.

Being a female who plays poker.

Being a boss and being like, I'm going to win this.

They're both playing it and both trying to be good.

You're like, I want to be them and this is my new hobby.

That's how Tessa says, I have a gambling ring in school.

Yeah, but a bi-gambling ring and therefore acceptable.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Very bi events, very early on.

Early on.

It sets the scene and with the piggyback of the, that's the woman I want.

She calls her babe.

I mean, at a time where I feel like that wasn't that normal to call your friend babe.

I was like, I rewound and I was like, hang on.

Like, is it, am I just projecting or is it actually all in there?

And it is in there.

I feel like it's text.

Oh, 100%.

So what's the plot, guys?

What is the plot of The Parent Trap?

I feel like everyone who don't know.

Everyone surely will.

Well, if you don't know the plot, go watch it.

No, the plot basically is you have Natasha Richardson and Dennis Quaid meet.

We don't really know where they meet.

They get married on the Queen Elizabeth II.

And who doesn't know the Queen?

Yeah, exactly.

What QET means.

As an Irish person, I didn't know what that meant.

And basically it starts off with these two girls, one from California, one of them from London.

They go to this camp in New York and they are, they find through their group of friends that they basically hate each other and they basically start playing all these pranks.

And throughout all the pranks, we also feature Janice and friends.

We then find them together in a cabin where they're basically talking about their parent issues and one of them has mommy issues, one of them has daddy issues, which again is like, again, bi-panic vibe.

And they both pull out at the same time this picture of their mom and their dad respectively.

And they torn down the middle, put them together and it's on their wedding day.

And they're both like, that's my mom, that's my dad.

Oh my God, you're my twin.

But at this point, they haven't just looked in the mirror and realized that they're fucking identical.

And they are clearly related.

I think it's just that haircut though.

So do you know, Halle's bi haircut.

Very different to the long London locks.

Long London locks.

So long London.

And they both come up with this genus plan to be like, I want to meet my mom, I want to meet my dad, let's swap and also learn how to do English and American accent at the same time.

So, you know, in one way, they're very progressive 12 year olds.

So, they then both decide to swap countries, they go back and they learn each other's habits and then try to convince their parents that they are Hallie and Annie.

Now, the parents, because they're two dumb bitches and so involved in their own lives, don't realize.

And have forgotten that they have another child that exists.

And don't actually realize they've swapped.

So Dennis Quaid has new Hoppies and Meredith, i.e.

Elaine, what's her name?

Elaine Hendricks.

Also would totally be Elaine Hendricks in this.

Of course, send off your children too.

We know.

And basically, the way people who actually notice, which again is a really sad part of the whole movie is The Butler, The Help and Chelsea, or Chessie, who is the maid.

And they're the only two that realize they've actually switched.

I think actually, I think she's the nanny.

The nanny, yeah.

So the nanny, they're the only ones who notice.

And it's a bit like, okay, parents are way too involved in their own lives.

So that's a whole different thing to go into.

But basically, they then come up with this big plan of, let's get our parents back together.

That'd be great.

Like, let's not talk about the fact that we're still living outside of the world, but whatever.

And then they realize Meredith is on the scene, i.e.

hot piece, Elaine Hendricks, who was all like, let's send the brat to secondary school or boarding school, which if I was her, I'd do the same.

Like, bye, go with daddy Quaid.

Just as for Meredith.

Yeah.

And basically, they then end up going on this hike together, and then they come clean basically about the twins because they have to, because they're like, what, they're weak?

And they're like, oh my God, I must come clean.

So they come clean and both parents are like, oh, we're going to swap you back.

Only logical answer to this quandary.

Even when they have an opportunity to actually, you know, oh, let's get to know my other daughter.

It's like, no, let's swap them back.

We can't deal with this.

And then Natasha Richardson has a drinking problem in the middle of it.

It is a bit mad, actually, when you think about it.

And then they then hatch this plan again to get them together on the same weekend.

And they're like, if they just see each other one more time, they'll fall in love.

And again, the whole plot is a bit like really, to think they're really going to fall in love.

Of course, they fall back in love again.

So much so actually that even Natasha Richardson starts making the dress for Meredith, I forgot about that part, they meet and she's like, oh, I'm looking at your designs.

I want it.

And she's like, I'll make a few, no problem.

And then basically, poor Meredith then gets done really badly and a few pranks falls into the sea and she's like, bye, see you later, I'm leaving.

And then they get back together.

But it never really resolves of where they're going to live.

No, we don't need to know that.

No, but yeah.

So that's basically the whole story.

In a minute.

Hygienics ensue, passport fraud is committed, plan works.

Somebody needs to call safeguarding.

And Charlotte, you know how you mentioned, although this is probably pre-biometrics in America, but twins do not have matching fingerprints.

This is true.

So she would have been fucked for a second.

She went through security, would never have worked.

Movie over in 50 minutes.

Actually though, they have a private jet though, Concorde, that is actually dropped in the middle of it all, but they fly, wait, what?

It's not a private Concorde.

No, no, I don't think it's theirs.

Oh really?

I assumed it was.

It's just a much faster airplane.

Domestic.

I mean, I would like to see the travel schedule, because for Concorde to be there, I don't know.

A day before the take off.

I wanted to see the timetable.

How long was that plane?

Also, how expensive were those tickets?

Because you made those plans 10 minutes beforehand.

To run on to an airport and say, I need the next Concorde.

Exactly.

It doesn't matter if you own a vineyard, you have the money.

It's Bi-Energy.

Concorde gives a bit of Bi-Energy as well.

It does.

You'd be at a Concorde.

They cancel it because it's Bi.

Yeah, they weren't ready for it.

No, they weren't ready for the efficiency.

But I think what's really interesting is like, as Harry was saying, hashtag justice for Meredith, is that when you're a kid, your whole experience of the film is, even when you have funny feelings about both sets parents, is that you identify with the girls and you hate Meredith, and you want these two gorgeous people to get back together, and Meredith is the villain.

And the older you get, you're like, this is an independent, confident, smart, beautiful young woman.

She knows what she wants.

She's not afraid to go and get it.

She clearly just wants a vineyard, a hot, older man, and not some brats who make absolutely no effort to get to know her.

Because in the beginning, she really tries.

Sadly, you don't want that to get in the way.

I feel like she's been done wrong from start to finish.

And also, when they set her onto the lake while she's asleep on her air mattress, she could have died.

She was sedated as well, may I add.

Oh yeah.

And actually, on rewatch as well, he's horrible to her.

He's like, get over it.

He's like, you should just go camping.

I'm like, I hate spiders.

You put me near spiders.

I'm not going to agree with you.

Are you kidding?

The woman had a lizard in her mouth.

Exactly.

And he's like, they're just playing.

Like where's your Eddie on?

At this stage, they're like the kid from The Omen.

Like Meredith should be worried for her life.

That child will be falling from a height.

Yeah.

Meredith, she's only 26.

Exactly.

And she's rich herself.

She's rich, she's self-made.

She's got a good job.

She's basically a child, which means that Dennis Quaid, I mean, as real life events have kind of came out, I mean, we should sort of understand Dennis Quaid and marrying children.

But I mean, I think in general, huge disclaimer for Dennis Quaid, you know, who he is now, like his political beliefs, like all of that has to be divorced from our experience of this film.

We were growing up, we knew none of that.

The world was a better place.

He was just saw him.

He was Daddy Quaid.

Do you know, it's interesting because I did think that watching this movie, and it's like you were saying, I think you see these beautiful people and they leave such a lasting impression on you.

But at the time, you don't really understand, you know, what you're taking away from them.

And you watch it now and you see Dennis Quaid in it now.

And I was like, so this is the reason why a whole generation of people now have a daddy fetish.

It's because they saw this movie when they were young.

And that's the urtext.

It was the building blocks of daddy issues.

Big time.

So the fit of that shirt.

That gray linen shirt that Meredith undoes on the terrace.

Unbuttoned.

In a children's film.

But equally, there's a thing about the linen shirt, which is like, do I want to be in it or do I want to wear it?

So there's like an element of like that side of things as well.

He just looked great.

I mean, you know, the quality is good as well.

Yeah.

He's dressed like two spectrums.

He's dressed like a lesbian, but he's also dressed like a man who works with his hands.

It's perfect.

I also want to bring up Natasha Richardson.

It's time.

Lady Diana.

How can a person be that beautiful?

Be so perfect.

Her effortless beauty when she calls for a taxi, when she's speaking French.

Even when she's a drunken mess in a hotel bar, you're like, this woman is class and just fabulous.

You want to be that Bloody Mary.

You're like, I want to be it.

And she just gives that real maternal energy of warmth and joy and also money.

And we're learning that we all have mummy and daddy issues.

And we really want real estate.

Do we have mummy issues?

Do we have money issues?

We have money issues.

I have daddy and money issues.

Yeah, I mean, if anything, now, I think we'd watch the film and we'd just be like, throuple, Meredith, Quaid, Richardson, send the kids to boarding school, even bring in Chelsea into it.

Have a transatlantic relationship, Napa Valley, Vineyard, California, New York, London for winter, you know.

Do they go to Florida as well for the wedding?

No.

Where was the hotel destination at the end?

San Francisco.

San Francisco.

We're still in San Francisco.

Sorry, even more.

Gay.

San Francisco.

I believe The Bi-Energy just continues into the supporting characters as well.

Absolutely.

So we have Martin, who is gay, on re-watch as an adult, you'd say, that's a gay man.

See, I thought that, I wrote that down, but I feel like the more you watch it, the more you're like, if our whole point of view is that this movie has bi-energy, then I think he's a perfect example of a man giving bi-energy, of like, you know, there's a certain things that we might read as more gay coded.

But in reality, like, he's clearly got it going on because he and Jessie go off for a picnic and then are, like, vanished for 72 hours.

I reckon the man knows what he's doing.

That is something that I need to see.

He has family.

And she has actually, like, I think in this movie, like in her outfits and like, she has a maternal energy, but she also has, like, gay energy as well, I think.

You know, like, if Meredith shacked up with Chessie after this, you would not be surprised.

You'd be like, this is the movie I want to see.

So I think, like...

Parent Trap number two.

Exactly.

It's actually a perfect couple, Chessie and Martin, of, like, people who don't completely fit into that one category, but like are somewhere in the middle, and then they come together.

The perfect examples of the bi-energy that we crave.

Exactly.

And the way that Martin ran for his leathers, knowing that he was getting a full, fully paid trip to San Francisco.

And, you know, out in his Speedos without care in the world, I was like, I'm owning this.

I was like, that has bi-energy all over it.

And he was getting paid for it, even more bi-energy.

Yeah.

They're in an open relationship and they're proud.

They are eyeing people up at the bar.

They're approaching.

Oh, yeah.

They're the ones saying, pass this to the hot blonde at the back.

Exactly.

And that's Meredith.

Or Pick Mikey.

Or Chessy Martin swingers party.

Is that in the sequels?

So, I think we can read...

A bit of the child...

.

that the cast falls very, very strongly into the tick box for a bi-panic film.

Strong, yes.

You've got the male energy, you've got the female energy, you've got the male energy coming from the females, you've got the female energy coming from the males, you've got young people, you've got old people, you've got me and daddy issues, you've got everything you need from a cast.

You've got attraction just basically running through the entire film.

Yeah.

There's a whole lot of wanting.

Yeah.

And a triangle.

There's nothing more bi than a triangle.

A bi-angle, if you will.

Just to bring in, just to add to the platus, but that also adds to the whole bi-ness of it all.

Camp, summer camp.

Yeah, from summer camps I've been to, gay energy.

I feel like we should specify it's a girls only camp.

I think that qualifies still as bi-energy.

I think it does, yeah.

You know, these school trips, you're all alone.

I like this is a very common thing in American films as well, where they're like, they all tested kissing on their friends.

It's like, did you or did you just try them on?

It's the experiment age.

It's the experiment age.

Camp is very much like a vibe of doing that.

That's why I agree with your location as being very bi.

And also just the heat of the Napa Valley.

You've got transatlantic as well.

You've got two, bi, exactly.

You've got locations.

You've got the heat, the simmering heat of the desert.

And you've got the fucking muggy heat of London.

There's nothing more bi than sweat.

And to cap it all off, they do a prison piercing in camp.

They do!

Gentle reminder.

It's giving boo in Oranges of New Black.

Do you know what?

I always, I remember I watched this movie so much when I was younger and I was like, why the fuck does she hold a piece of apple behind the lobe?

And I was like, what does the apple, what does it do?

Is the acid?

Like, what is the apple for?

And it wasn't until you got a prison tattoo that you knew.

That is correct.

A rite of passage for any young girl.

Any other standout moments?

There are scenes that make you just gasp on rewatch.

I, do you know how the beginning of the movie, the opening shots are sort of like the credits roll over this section of scenes that show us mother and father meeting on this ship, falling in love, getting married, which in itself is completely insane because they knew each other all of two weeks.

But you never really see their faces, but you see the ship and everything is like in this really diffused, beautiful, romantic lighting.

And when they sign the wedding registry, you have this close up of him putting the ring on her finger.

And I think they use a hand model for this, although I can absolutely believe that Natasha Richardson has hands like this.

The most slender, beautiful hands and pearly shining nails.

First of all, definitely the nails of a straight woman.

But I remember seeing that as a child and being like, oh my God, my whole life, I'm going to want to have beautiful slender hands like that.

And every time I look at my sausage hands, I'm like, I never managed it.

I'll never fall in love on the QE too.

Exactly.

Because I don't have the hands for it.

I thought you were going to go down like the phallic angle of putting a ring on a finger.

Oh yeah.

I thought that's where you were going.

I thought that was going to be like the...

Look at you, all so dirty.

Yeah.

What is it?

The post-perennial cigarette?

What's the cigarette thing?

The post-coital?

There's another word for it.

Not post-coital.

They call it the post-something cigarette in film.

You guys crack on.

I'm just going to Google it.

Oh, please do.

I just think my favorite parenting moment of The Parenting Trap is when Annie returns from camp.

Her mother has not seen her for months throughout the summer, but Natasha Richardson couldn't make it to the airport.

She's a booked and busy woman.

She was sitting at home awaiting the driver to collect Annie because she doesn't do airports when she's not going anywhere.

I just thought that was an excellent moment.

She's not driving tea through.

I think what's quite interesting is I do think that the moment where Natasha Richardson realizes that the daughter who's come back to her is actually the one that she hasn't seen in a really long time.

It's very emotional when the girls realize who they are to each other.

I genuinely think that the scene that makes me cry now and that I think is the most emotional is when Chessie, back in Napa Valley, realizes that the girl there isn't Hallie, it's Annie.

She's so overcome because she remembers, because apparently she was around when they were both born.

She's so overcome and she's so happy to see her.

She doesn't want to give it away in front of Dennis Quaid, but it's such a beautiful moment.

I think weirdly like this is not her actual parent.

This is someone who she hasn't seen in like 11 years.

And her reaction, I think, is like the most heartwarming out of all of them.

Probably the most parental one, probably.

Completely.

And that's going to lead to some strange feelings from Hallie and Annie.

Which is the love that they receive from their nanny slash butler.

And the love that they don't clearly receive from their absent mother slash father that they've had for 12 years of their life.

Like right now, it's great and it's happy and it's lovely.

And they're like, they've had a gentle little parent trap and they've got their way, what they think is their way and all this sort of stuff.

But what we're really looking at here is two children who are going to be traumatized.

And there's nothing more bi than being traumatized.

And eating therapy.

And eating therapy is a classic bi energy element.

I also Googled that thing and it was post-Prandial cigarette, by the way.

Just so you know.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Which technically means smoking after eating, but the joke was in film that you're smoking after eating.

That's bi.

That's bi, post-Prandial cigarette, bi.

So there's lots of plot lines that just need thorough explanation.

Go on, Harry.

Well, we've touched on it briefly.

It's Chessie and Martin's Weekender.

I mean, just the sexual connotations of viewing that is strong, and it kind of distracts because you want to know more.

Yeah, it's a definite, it's a definite side note for the adults.

I kind of think, though, like, whereas we watch it, that they were basically being like, like they were basically being gals going out on a weekend together to get the shift with other people.

I don't quite get the day we're together.

It would be like me and you going out for a weekend, like on a bender and being like, right, what are we going to do?

OK.

I don't get like an attraction between the two of them.

I get almost like, we're going to be best friends and let's go hit the club in the Napa Valley.

I think they went camping.

We all know what happens camping.

What happened to you guys camping?

Don't want to talk about it.

Don't look at me.

You wouldn't go camping.

No, we won't go camping.

We go to the club.

You'd be like this if you were at camping.

It would be me.

You'd be Meredith.

You'd be there floating on an air mattress in a lake.

Where's my apparel?

Where is my apparel?

Harry, I can't help but ask or notice that you haven't once or you haven't yet mentioned the seminal line that had you questioning yourself from David Quaid in this film.

David Quaid?

Dennis Quaid.

Oh, I know what you mean.

I know.

Yeah.

It's when, I imagine a private plane or a very small Napa airport plane.

Annie, disguised as Hallie, descends onto...

Do planes just land like that?

It was just straight on the tarmac.

Yeah.

You pick your children from it.

This is why they didn't get flagged.

And there was no airport security.

That's right.

Pregnant Paws, get into these arms, you little punk.

Had I heard that, age 12, I think my sexual journey in life would have just begun much earlier.

You would have gone head first into those arms.

Those arms, they're big.

Those arms.

And then he just throws on a Stetson when he's driving as well.

Driving at pickup as well.

I mean, it's almost too much, you know?

It is too much.

Nancy Myers must have been absolutely gagging for him when she was directing that.

That's true.

I mean, she would have been the right age.

I feel like she knew exactly like, this is a movie that kids are going to want to see, and I'm going to have to give the moms and the dads something to watch.

Or all the guardians, something to look forward to.

And she delivered, like, doesn't matter what you're into, you will leave satisfied.

It's true.

I think every box has been ticked.

It was equal amount of screen time as well.

It wasn't just Lilo.

It was the parents, the nanny.

The back of the extras head as well.

Well, bravo to the back of the fake Lilo's head.

It's also like, I mean, obviously, we're here to read like everything as being bisexual, but just pretending like we're serious people discussing cinematic masterpieces for a second.

Her performance in both those roles is absolutely insane.

I mean, obviously, sometimes you hear the accent, but overall, that's better than most adults have ever managed after they've been to drama school.

She's absolutely incredible in this film.

I think it's the kind of like debut where you think like there's nothing you can't do.

It's absolutely incredible.

It's a reminder because she thinks, oh yeah, that's one of Lindsay Lohan's films.

It was her first one.

It's introducing Lindsay Lohan, and she absolutely nails a British accent.

She does.

Even her intonations, her face, her comedic timing, it's like that of an adult, and it's not overplaying it.

It's not precocious child acting.

It's just spot on.

It's absolutely brilliant.

It's A Star is Born.

And A Star was Born.

Yeah.

Bravo to Lindsay Lohan.

Yeah.

The actual acting, everybody came with their A-game.

Yeah.

It's a children's film essentially, but it wouldn't have worked if Meredith wasn't an absolute bitch, but perfectly played, hot, smoking, like knows exactly what she's doing.

When she's telling them exactly what's going to happen behind Dennis Quaid's back, like she plays the hot crud of the DeVille role really well.

But she's also quite a modern character if you think about it.

She's like, she knows what she wants.

She knows what she wants in the 2000s, like moving on that way.

Women with careers, high-flying, don't want kids.

Exactly.

That's an inspiration for a lot of people as well, who want to basically live the high life, but work for it and then be like, let's share this life with Dennis Quaid.

Yeah, she's a bi-con, true bi-con.

Then following on, you have the people's princess, Natasha Richardson, just skipping through Kensington, designing wedding dresses like an absolute boss.

Yeah, she is.

She's got her own, to the point where the bi-con Meredith, already fully aware of her work, spots her and instantly wants her to design her dress, and because Meredith is an absolute boss bitch, she's like, I can afford it.

It's like, of course, you can.

She went to marry Dennis Quaid as well.

The inspiration from all these characters is very strong.

Yeah.

The character relation is strong, the delivery, the acting is great.

I think what you guys can also take away is that one of you is going to have to wear a white top hat for the wedding.

That's not me.

Maybe.

No, my hair.

I can't.

My hair is going to be its own.

That's fine.

Harry and I will wear the white top hats.

Yeah, please do.

If we must.

I did see something wonderful on social media this week, and it was a Parent Trap themed hen weekend.

I saw that.

Yes, we saw it.

It was fab.

So, oh my God.

It was set in, I'm guessing, a wealthy house, and the bride is there.

She's awaiting all her guests, and they all arrive in different Parent Trap themed outfits.

Okay, here's a question.

Are you arriving in leather?

I was just going to ask, if we were to do that, who would we dress as?

I'm going to have to get a great linen shirt and just be my own sexual fantasy for the evening, I think.

I think I might be Jessie.

Or Meredith, or actually, maybe the bride with the top hat.

With the top hat.

Oh, if I was to wear my Reese, that would've worked.

I don't want to waste that thing, but yeah.

It would be wasted to me.

Although of course, I am party is taking place in a brownstone in New York.

So that is correct.

But you both get one.

So one of you gets a panic room one and one of you gets the Parent Trap one.

OK, I'll call it Parent Trap.

Panic from the themed Hen Weekend.

In New York.

Give her the shot.

Give her the shot.

Our t-shirts will be made.

We were thinking we weren't that at the wedding as well.

Give her the shot.

Give baby Guinness.

In terms of what makes this film qualify as a hell of a member of the panic room films, I think obviously cast we've talked about, characters we've talked about, overall energy, story line, personalities.

I think in terms of creatives behind the film, I think Nancy Meyers is definitely not someone that I think we would consider a very diverse filmmaker.

Like we said, it tends to always be about white rich people enjoying a white rich life and not really having real problems, but thinking that they do.

To be fair, that's magical to watch.

I love her movies.

I think she's an absolute genius and what she gives us.

I think in terms of that, I do feel like The Parent Trap might actually be her most bi film just from all the things that we've discussed so far.

I feel like there's just the most to mind there.

I'd agree if you compare it to a film of hers like The Holiday, which is a Christmas classic, but probably the most heteronormative bit of cinema in existence.

Will we consider discussing it for our Christmas special?

Maybe, if it turns out that we can actually ring any sort of bi energy out of it, we try really really hard.

I really have to squeeze quite deeply to get anything from it.

It's a very long film.

It's a very long and very straight film.

It's like beige.

But that's her thing.

Her colour palette is beige and we love her for it.

But in The Parent Trap, a different energy is born.

There's some denim in there.

I would really question if Meredith was bi throughout.

I think Meredith wants Natasha and she wants Dennis.

She wants it all.

She's a modern woman.

I think the way her eyes lit up across that bar.

Exactly.

This is what we're hoping for, really.

So I guess the question that we also have to ask ourselves.

Obviously, we saw this movie when we were younger.

It had a big effect on us at the time.

And still now, as you can tell.

I think the big question is like, does it pass the test of time?

Like looking back at it now, do we feel like us talking about it in terms of The Bi-Panic Room, is it all still valid?

What do we think?

Yes.

Yes, 100%.

I think even more so than when I watched it as a child.

Yeah.

Completely agree.

It's just dripping with bi-energy now.

Yeah.

I think it makes sense now looking back on it, all those feelings I had.

I was like, okay, this was because it was wanting to be Lindsay Lohan, Hallie, specifically, not Annie.

When Annie transformed into Hallie, still you kind of want it to be Annie.

Then also Natasha Richardson, Dennis Quaid, those arms, that real estate, Meredith swapping in, even Chessy.

I think even re-watching recently, I was like, okay, this is bringing up all those feelings that I know are worth their.

Yeah.

Like you said about Nancy Meyers, maybe not being the most diverse of filmmakers, and Dennis Quaid, questionable in terms of his outside of the film.

But at the time, was he with Meg Ryan then?

I don't know.

Lindsay Lohan, to be a bi-con herself, you know, very, very well documented.

I remember those times where...

Journey into bisexuality, which made things more normal for many people as a teenager, as she was openly, you know, in relationships with the DJ Samantha Bronson.

But also, just in terms of, again, for people who aren't twins, I think what the film does...

It always comes back to me.

Did I mention I'm a twin?

For people who aren't twins, though, I think what the film does, because Lindsay Lohan is one person playing two people, and I think in some ways it shows for each of those characters who thought that they were an individual embryo, not a twin, what they're actually looking at is an alternative version of themselves, like what they could be in a different life.

Maybe I could be a little bit less uptight, or maybe I could be a little bit less vulgar.

I don't know what the other one's thinking.

It's that thing that I think a lot of bi people have, which is that playing with being more masculine or more feminine.

Which one do I fit into?

Yeah, so you kind of go, oh, sometimes I want to be the one in the jacket, kind of playing with lizards.

And sometimes you want to be the one in a bridal shop playing with top hats, you know?

Learn to code switch between those two sides of yourself.

And they both adapted very well.

One minute you're swinging a bag of quarters around in a sock, walking into a dark room with sunglasses on.

And the next you're skipping through with your butler in London.

While wearing a powder blue suit.

Exactly.

And rocked both looks.

Yeah.

Incredible.

And you can do both, and you can be both, and you can take both of those sides into yourself.

And ultimately, you can both steal fence.

You can both steal fence.

And on that note, I think we're all agreed, 100% Bi-Panic Room.

Committed, locked in.

Locked in.

Go on.

Cue sound effect.

Okay, so we're now going to go on to the Bi-Panic Energy of the Week section.

My one is going to be Jodie Comer's photo shoot, where I'm unsure if it's baiting or if she's just giving that queer energy.

It's just, it's a vibe.

Specifically, is this for Vogue?

What's it for?

I think it's for L Magazine.

And I think it's the one made with the cream on her mouth, or is it the one with ladies first on the hat?

Ladies first on the hat, or just in general, just any of those suits, that navy suit with the contour collar.

Was it purple suit, which is the bi-color?

Was it purple?

Yeah, was it purple suit?

Was it purple suit?

Am I now colorblind?

In general though, that whole, that was my bi-panic energy of the week.

I was like, get it, come over.

Yeah, I think a lot of straight women would be questioning themselves after seeing that photo shoot.

Was it with a bit of a wet look hair as well?

Yeah, six pack.

Yeah.

It's a vibe.

Harry, your bi-panic energy of the week, your BPE of the week.

My BPE of the week was something that I stumbled upon on social media, which is, you know, I have said before, and that may be my source of most of my bi-panic.

It is, I don't know how old it is, but it came up on my Instagram and it was a clip of Anya Taylor Joy on a talk show.

And that is just a very brief clip.

I don't really know the befores and afters, but she's talking about having ice cream.

And the presenters ask, oh, what flavor ice cream do you like?

And she's just chatting away in her normal accent and then just slips out the words, dulce de leche, which I just didn't do right.

And I will never do justice, but the way she says it stirred.

And I would like you all to watch it at some point very soon.

And it's just the presenters were just baffled just how she immediately switched from, you know, American accent on a talk show to Argentine goddess.

Especially in that voice, you know, she's got like the purr going on as well.

It's a purr and it was wonderful.

And it made me want to have some dulce de leche.

Because anytime I read it, I have just read a book that is set in Argentina and it came up a lot.

I guess they have it quite frequently over there.

The way I was reading it in my head was very Gemma Collins.

Dulce de leche.

But then just being so subtly corrected by Anya Taylor-Joy was wonderful.

I mean, what gives BPE if not that?

Just a little reminder of how to speak properly.

Should I go next?

Go for it.

Okay.

My BPE of the week is the incredibly exciting announcement that came out of nowhere, which is that there will be a sequel to Practical Magic starring Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock.

Cue applause.

This is honestly one of the most exciting developments this year.

Cannot wait.

Definitely a movie that we will be covering on this podcast.

A movie that gives, by panic, energy in itself.

And so the fact that this news just came out while we're already discussing, you know, featuring on the podcast.

I mean, that was just kismet.

It was just a sign.

And I mean, yeah.

Strong energy, hard agree.

Just wait for all the hair extensions.

My BPE of the week are the paparazzi photos showing Natalie Portman and Paul Meskell smoking outside the pub in Islington.

And I'm sorry, but smoking is...

Smoking is for jokers, but I would take it up.

So have a cigarette with those two in their light blue jeans and their light shirts and just looking ridiculously hot.

She's giving like, yeah, I'm in my 40s now, is she?

But I could absolutely take Paul Meskell on a ride in this pub in Islington.

It's just the hotness of the smoking, which shouldn't really be hot, but for some people, it just really is hot and they pull it off.

I think it's because it's something bad.

They're doing something they shouldn't be doing and they got caught out.

Bad Girl Portman, Bad Girl Pett Meskell.

If you were in that pub, you'd run out, get some cigarettes and ask them for a light.

Or you'd be getting a lighter.

You'd be like, oh, I've got a lighter.

And knowing that she's just gone through a divorce, it's really hot.

It's just hot.

It's like, yeah, you can get it.

A post of old cigarette with Paul Meskell.

Yeah, Paul Meskell, like obviously post Phoebe Bridges.

It's like, yeah, you two deserve this.

It's going to be hot.

It's going to be messy.

It's going to be full of post brandy cigarettes.

And I'm here for it.

And it's just major BPE.

Oh yeah.

Get it.

What would you say like smokers for jokers and buys?

Jokers and buys, yeah.

Oh, good work hunting out BPE this week, team.

I agree with all of them.

I think a few moments.

All of them.

It's triggering.

Okay.

So this week's controversial pick.

Is that what we're calling it?

I actually quite like Wildcard.

Wildcard.

Yeah.

This week's Wildcard that I am submitting for consideration for entry into The Bi-Panic Room.

It's a little film.

That I remember giving me quite a lot of bi-panic energy as a child, right?

Which now I recognize to be bi-panic energy.

Anyway, that film is Casper, The Friendly Ghost.

How friendly.

What's he doing at night time?

Friends would benefit ghost.

There's nothing more bi-panic than sleight of spirit in your room.

Go on.

My intrigue has been peaked.

So Casper, The Friendly Ghost is a film starring a young Christina Ricci, Bill-

Say no more.

Exactly.

Who herself is great bi-panic energy throughout her career.

Bill Pullman plays her father, aka the former president of the United States, which can I just point out, we voted into The Panic Room last week, Independence Day.

He was the president in that.

The man is apparently an MVP of bi-panic energy.

There's a strong correlation between him and bi-panic.

We also have, oh my god, I've forgotten her name, but she's the Marnie Ducks.

No, she doesn't look like that, apparently.

She's got that.

You talk about Casper the Friendly Ghost.

She's like the raspy camp lady.

You know who she is.

She's blonde hair.

She sounds like she smoked 50 bags a minute.

Yes, Cathy Moriarty.

She's got the most incredible voice.

She's got a voice that men and women everywhere would be falling for.

She plays this person who wants to develop the house that they're in.

Anyway, Casper and his horrible uncles are the dead people who live in this house that Christine Ricci and her father have moved into.

She is also...

her mum's dead.

There's this grieving element, which for some reason is hot.

Trauma.

Trauma.

They move into this house, which is a clearly very spooky house.

All the children at the school hate her because they're like, oh, you're the new weird kid that lives in the haunted house.

And she makes friends with Casper, who is the friendly ghost that lives in the house.

And as Harry said earlier, hijinks into you.

But ultimately, you've got the evil uncles who are just constantly trying to kill Christina Ricci's father and make him become a ghost because they just want another friend.

They're also really just hungry ghosts as well.

They just want to eat everything.

And then you've got Casper who just wants to like play ball and be a child again.

And Christina Ricci is like showing him the life that he'll never get to live, which is really sad.

And then you've got Cathy Moriarty.

And there's another correlation here, I think, between our bi-panic films, real estate.

She wants to develop that land.

She wants that house.

She wants to develop it and she wants to get it at a cut price.

Right.

I mean, what is more bisexual than greed?

Greed and greed, daddy issues, trauma, money issues, ghosts.

You know, it's got a little bit of everything.

Okay, you're introducing a conflicting idea, because when you first said it, it was going to be a no from me.

Same.

Shocks.

But you did say Christina Ricci.

Thank you.

Bill Pullman, can I just point out, wears a cardigan shirt and glasses in the film.

And he has the floppy late nineties haircut.

I might actually, for the purposes of the tape, bring up a picture of Bill Pullman at this point.

Okay.

Visual aids.

Are they allowed in the wildcard?

Yes, because Harry, you should have done your homework and watched the film.

I actually didn't watch it myself either.

So just, I'm just drawing from absolute childhood Bride Panic energy here.

It's really like left a lasting effect on you.

Also, I think what you said, trauma seems to be an also theme going on in all these movies that are also giving bi-energy trauma, equaling therapy, equaling...

I think it's general queer growing up.

Yes, it has to.

You're going to look for films that have problems with them because you're like, I want to escape almost because you don't know what it means.

Can we just...

I'm listening.

Okay.

Charlotte, no need to show me.

He's got stubble.

Can I just point out for the people that can't obviously, right now, I'm urging you to pull up your phones, type in Bill Pullman, Casper, and look at the picture where he is resting his cheek slash chin upon his hand and he's just looking lovingly at what you hope to be yourself through his rimless glasses, slight stubble, American jawline and floppy 90s hair.

And he looks fab.

That cardigan.

That cardigan.

And he's wearing his wedding ring.

He is a widower.

Widower?

Yeah, he is a widower in this film, which is just hot in itself.

Like he is a man.

He is a loving father.

He is a-

Stop with the daddy issues.

He is a loving father.

He is a grieving widower.

He's still wearing his wedding ring.

He's a loving man.

And there's nothing more hot and attractive than an eligible bachelor who has just moved into a mansion.

Case closed.

I will take questions now.

I think we're picking up on a theme from The Panic Room of Forrest Whitaker, being a loving man who's very honorable and wants to protect.

Interesting.

Okay.

My first question.

Yeah.

The Bi-Panic was their attraction towards anyone else other than Bill Pullman.

Christina Ricci.

Okay.

Because, well, I'm just thinking, I think another theme of this is that a lot of these films they have in common is that they showcase a female, my boring Tessa, they showcase a female taking on masculine energy or historically masculine attitude, or they are interested in historically masculine things slash you have men who are showcasing behavior that would be more associated with women.

So they may be more emotional, they may be more loving, hashtag Forrest Whitaker, and they are maybe making choices.

You've also got Cathy Moriarty, who is a badass fucking bitch in this film.

She is giving all the masculine energy.

She is bossy.

She's horrible.

She's hot.

She's great.

Then you've got Caspar, who's just a little sweetheart, young man.

For those who, again, don't know, the person who plays him in the film is a Canadian actor called Devon Sawyer.

Not related to Jojo Siwa.

And he's just like that.

He's got that all American, which now it's not so attractive.

But back then, when you're like growing up in the N sinks of the world, like he's just got the floppy, Leonardo DiCaprio hair.

This is the actual-

The Nick Carter hair.

The Nick Carter look.

And he's just got that, but that's that kind of feminine energy to him with his floppy hair and his kind of like face.

So I think there's a theme here of when the roles themselves are questioning gender norms and making you kind of feel different things.

And I think that's a big part of this film, because I definitely kind of fancied Christina Ricci and Devon Sawa in this film.

And when they kiss at the end, I would definitely be blushing.

I want to be either of those.

I don't know what I want.

This famous moment at the end where like for a little moment, he gets to turn from from like Casper, the friendly translucent ghost into Devon Sawa.

So he like, you know, has has an actual corporeal form and they kiss and they dance.

And then he looks at her and he goes, can I keep you?

And I really think that that is the moment where, where, you know, a whole generation of girls was like, no man will ever live up to the expectations that I now have.

From Casper, the friendly guy.

Set the bar quite high already.

And Christina is going to spend the rest of her life like mourning this ghost man she can never have.

So she will turn to women.

Hence her bi journey has begun.

It's the start, yes.

If you think about it as well, like when he is a friendly ghost, Casper is stuck between two points, like between two extremes, being alive and being dead.

He is both and neither.

And what is more bi than that?

And one big major plot point in this film is that the whole way through the film, actually I'm trying to remember if Kathy Moriarty is actually trying to get to this piece of equipment in the mansion, there is basically a giant vault underground, which holds within it a...

No, it doesn't hold bonds.

Jarret Leto's aging granddad.

It holds within it like a serum or a potion essentially that would bring the dead back to life.

So this man or Casper's father had tried to resurrect Casper, and I can't remember the actual full story, whether he died or whatever happened.

But basically, they've tried to create a machine that will bring someone back from the dead.

And Cristina Ricci and Casper stumbled across this and find out all the information and how the machine works.

And Cathy Moriarty also at one point is trying to get this stuff because she's sending her little henchmen after it.

Maybe that's what she's after.

I can't remember.

Maybe it isn't real estate.

Anyway, the point being that they go for this and plot twist.

Bill Pullman dies in the film.

Her father dies.

He is tricked.

He's tricked by Casper's evil uncles and he dies.

So Christina Ricci and Casper's plan is to bring Casper back to life.

And it is absolutely heartbreaking because there is one bottle left.

They have one shot to bring one person, one ghost back.

Give him the shot.

Give him the shot.

Back to life.

And then Casper comes down, Christina, they're in the basement.

They're ready to get everything going.

And then Bill Pullman rocks up as a ghost.

And you can see Christina is crestfallen.

Her father is dead, just like her mother.

Now she's an orphan all of a sudden.

And Casper is watching his chance at life go out the window because he knows he's not allowed to let Christina become fatherless and take his place.

So he has to choose to sacrifice ever being alive again to let Christina reach he have her father back.

And then it's Christina Ricci's mother, who is also hot.

Can we remember how smoking hot she was?

She came down as an angel and says to Casper, basically, you're so fucking great because you just gave up your life to bring my husband back to let Christina have a father.

And she says, I will let you live until midnight so that you can just have that little taste, which is kind of mean because she clearly has that power.

But anyway, you're going to die.

So she lets him have a little taster of being alive again for Christina.

And it's heartbreaking that that has to happen.

And there's nothing more by than being heartbroken.

Yeah, I think the theme here is trauma.

Trauma.

But also it's Casper being a wonderful man.

And like you said, this is another reason why it's really hard for anybody to match up to Casper, the friendly ghost, because he literally sacrifices his life for Christina's father, who is, we kind of get it because he's hot, you know, but it's these men showing these amazing, like mature decisions, not showing greed, showing love instead.

And then Cathy Morati is like, I'm a greedy bitch.

And then they trick her into dying.

It's a whole thing.

But it's these, I think it's, that's a big major part of a bi-panic film.

And I think this film has that in droves, you know, guys.

So you like your boy's soft and your girl's boss.

Yes.

And that needs to go on a t-shirt.

Yes.

Because the other thing as well, and there's a scene that I really remember really strongly in the film, which is that this machine is made for a boy, right?

As all machines are.

Hasn't been tested on women.

But Christina Ricci takes it down to the vault, the bottom.

And because the machine is made for a boy, it's like brushing her hair and it's like putting shaving cream on her face.

And it's doing all this funny shit.

And also for some reason she's wearing a dress and she hates wearing a dress because she's bi.

But I remember really distinctly those scenes, like really somehow bringing something up because she's uncomfortable around the female things and she's comfortable around the male things.

And I just really remember those and the scene where her hair is getting brushed and she's like looking at it like, oh my God, this is the worst thing ever.

I could relate to that as a young girl.

I hated having my hair brushed.

I just wanted it to look cool like Devon Sawa.

And anyway, so this film has got a lot of elements of the feminine energy, the male energy in terms of both internal like their emotions and their attitude and their actions.

And also what they're wearing because Christina Ricci hates wearing a dress.

And Bill Pullman is wearing that soft, I'm going to teach you things kind of professor vibe.

And then you've also got Cathy Moriarty in a fucking suit.

So it's, I think it's got the actual, the costumes make the film as well.

I think you've got the element of the visuals and the costumes that really make this film Bi-Vibes.

There's a lot of crossover between like stereotyping, stereotypical masculine female energies and clothing, attitudes, personalities.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And ultimately it's the boss lady angel that comes down and gives Caspar his life back.

It's not a male god coming down.

It is a female angel who's like, I have the power to give you a life back.

I'm going to do it for a little while.

How's about that?

This film is a feminist masterpiece and a bi-conic film of our times.

Okay, I might give you that one.

Bye-bye, Grace.

Your justification has made me think a bit more.

Bear with me.

Do you need any further clarification across any further points in the film?

Makes me want to watch it again.

You also have the hot mean people as all classic childhood, like middle school or high school films have.

They were hot, but they also got their comeuppance, which there's nothing more hot than a bully getting their comeuppance as well.

Just pointing that out.

Yeah, this is true.

It's a tough one, isn't it?

I think I'm going to vote, yes.

I think it's something I want to re-watch.

I think from all the points you've pointed out so far, it's a yes because there's the trauma, the plot, the energy, the costumes, the characters, actors, actresses.

The whole synopsis seems to be pointing towards panicking.

Ghosts tends to panic.

I think that you make an incredibly good case, Grace.

I think you've covered all the points and there's definitely, there's an aroma of bi emanating from the movie.

But I feel like I'm missing a certain je ne sais quoi.

I don't look at me like that.

I feel like there's just that little bit missing for me that fully cements this as something that is allowed into the hallowed halls of The Bi-Panic Room.

I can't believe I'm in a fucking independent day in last week.

It doesn't deserve its place.

Do you know?

I mean, I won that round clearly.

I'm actually going to vote.

I'm going to vote now.

Harry, the deciding vote is with you at this stage.

Okay.

Because I was Camp No.

But your justification was put so exquisitely that I do agree.

My interest has been resurfaced.

I think with the cast and all the criteria that we have been using to determine by energy with a touch of trauma.

I'm going to let this one slide into The Bi-Panic Room.

It slides into The Panic Panic Room, just like Casper slid into our hearts.

Thank you, Charlotte, to be honest.

I really want to say no, but you did such a good job.

Yeah, everybody wants to be watched as soon.

I actually forgot how good this film was and how actually it genuinely did put so much by panic in me.

I did.

I forgot how much that film made me feel things.

I saw the memories come out of you as you were saying that.

I have not seen this film probably in 10 to 15 years, and I am remembering it like that.

I was welling up at one point.

I know.

I completely forgot that he actually has to sacrifice his life.

Just waiting for Grace to announce that she's going to launch a Casper the Friendly Ghost podcast spin-off.

I think it's been decided, hasn't it?

Yeah.

Grace's impassioned defense of Casper the Friendly Ghost has convinced almost everybody on the team, and therefore, it will be admitted into the hallowed halls of The Bi-Panic Room.

Welcome, Casper.

Welcome, Casper.

You can join Jodie Foster.

She's preparing drinks to the left.

Natasha Richardson is drinking them.

She has a flight to catch.

They have giant vats of red wine, and they are both laying in the bath.

I'd just like to thank Bill Pullman's cardigan for this moment.

I feel like he and Dennis Quaid will give each other such a warm embrace when they both meet Forest Whitaker in there as well.

That's a three-way hug that I would like to be sandwiched in the middle of that.

I would like to be suffocated to death by those three.

I think I'll happily be in the bath.

There comes a full circle moment.

Full circle moment.

We now have four films sitting in The Bi-Panic Room.

Next week, we will be discussing the one, the only, the mummy.

Okay.

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